DesertCruiser
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| | 03/03/10 at 12:40 PM | Reply with quote | #16 |
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Here's something else that will help when looking for differences in terrain on Google Earth -------
When you have Google Earth open at the top of the program window click on Tools / then Options and a box will open --- in this first window look for Elevation Exaggeration then set this to number 3. I don't remember if you have to apply this or not, but if it's available then click
Apply or Okay
Now drag the map around in an area where there's a big difference in elevation. There won't be any difference in a flatter area, but where there are big differences you'll be amazed at the view you'll get.
Don....
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chrisguero
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| | 03/03/10 at 05:31 PM | Reply with quote | #17 |
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Yea that's way cool. I had tried before to look at the elevation horizontally on the mesa but it was pretty flat but that gives it some good depth. Now even though they are only hills, it does show that they dip up and down.
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chrisguero
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| | 03/06/10 at 03:31 PM | Reply with quote | #19 |
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Don,
I finally got back out to little creek. I camped out last night and took my 4 wheeler around this morning. The area is still really wet unfortunately so it takes a lot of time to get around. Because of that I wasn't able to see all of the areas that I wanted to see, but I did see the kiln and the pit houses just past the kiln. Sadly, there isn't much left of the kiln. There was a sign on it that said that as of early 2009 most of the kiln was intact, and shame on those who have destroyed it forever. I guess I was a year late on seeing it in better shape. I took some pictures that I will post if I can figure out how to. Also, I was very impressed with the pit house area. (It only took me 5 trips to the area to find these things) It was definitely worth it though. You appreciate something more when you have to work for it. I think that I am going to hold off for maybe a month until I go back out there so that things can dry out. I really appreciate your help with the area. It could have taken me a year to find some of these things if I didn't know where to look. I appreciate your discretion on giving out this information too. Unfortunately there are many people out there that have no respect for society. I really wonder what kind of artifacts there could have been around these pit houses a hundred years ago before people started visiting the area.
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| | 03/06/10 at 04:09 PM | Reply with quote | #20 |
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Chris: The picture on the web site of the kiln up on Little Creek Mesa was taken on Sept. 2007 so it wasn't all there several years ago either. Up at the pit houses people have been hauling the flat red rock out of there for patio's or something (that's illegal) and soon they'll probably get to the nice flat ones in the pit houses, they're working their way up there. Glad you found them and like that. There's always been something about the area that attracted me too it. There's a lot more there that I've never seen. For instance -- on the map I provided here, look a the pink camera (the one that's to the right of the other one) it says look here next, I never got there and it's close to the trail down off the mesa, which should be a great place to find artifacts too. If you want to locate it even closer then go on Google Earth and mouse over that area to find the high spot. Also you'll see a marker called wood, that's a whole hillside of petrified wood, but they are mostly small pieces and some are buried, and just West of that is another campsite. That whole area South of Wood looked good to me, and there no roads into it, but it's easy hiking, just take a GPS with you.
Good luck and we'd love to see some photos. Get an account at Photobucket, I can't recommend them highly enough. And it's free.
If you need any help getting photos on here, just say the word and myself or Larry or Iggy will gladly help. I think Happy Arisona Girl has got it now too so she could probably help, someone will!!!!!!
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| | 03/10/10 at 10:02 PM | Reply with quote | #21 |
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Chris: Have you seen this post on the forum?
http://desertforum.in-the-desert.com/post?id=4609246
The bottom photo is an area that the Rented Mule (screen name) on here pointed me to. I never did find the caves, we ran out of time. But I think I was really close to them.
Jerry -- help us here, with the location of the cave (s).
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chrisguero
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| | 03/12/10 at 10:44 AM | Reply with quote | #22 |
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I have heard of some petroglyphs out by mount trumbull, I wonder if they're the same ones? That would be a cool day trip sometime especially since the arizona strip is 5 min from my house. I'll have to ask rented mule about it.
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| | 03/12/10 at 01:41 PM | Reply with quote | #23 |
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Chris: The photo above (cabin) is only half way down to Mt. Trumbull. Jerry told me something about a cave in that area, I don't know if he's ever been to it or not, maybe he can help -- sometimes he's hard to get a hold of.
The petroglyphs down by Mt. Trumbull might be the ones below -- I never hiked into them. They are on the southeast side of the mountain.
We drove to the trail head there. The road into this area is well marked on Rd 5 around the southern side of Mt. Trumbull.
If you go into the turn off from Rd 5 going into the Nampaweep Rock art site you'll see it on the left in a very short distance off the main road. When your done there keep going straight like you missed the turn to the site? This will take you to a ranch down in a really pretty valley. Right before you get to the valley you'll come to the Malpais (lava flows) that ran off of Mt. Trumbull. It's really worth seeing as you drive right along side it for a ways, and then you come out into the valley at the end of the malpais.
I'd really like to hear from Jerry about the caves he knows about.
Don.....
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Rented mule
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| | 03/12/10 at 11:37 PM | Reply with quote | #24 |
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Hello, all!
The caves are located 9 1/2 miles up the Kolob Terrace road (the backcountry road
that turns off of the main highway in the town of virgin, Utah.
Travel 9 1/2 miles up the road and enter the non fee area of Zion National Park in the
Kolob Terrace. At 9.5 miles from when you turn off the main road in Virgin,
you will see the road will turn from red asphant to black. On the right side of the road is a small summer cabin with an iron gate. On the gate are two iron wagon wheels.
Park on the right side of the road, a little way down from their home. Look to the right and you will see a small valley. On maps of Zion, it is called CAVE VALLEY.
You will notice two wagon ruts leading right up to the hoodoos on your right side.
Walk up those wagon ruts til you come to a small, white hoodoo that is hollowed out. You will now see the green gate and north/south running border fence for Zion Park. Walk through it and keep to the slickrock on your right. there are three caves. One has a park register in it. that is the one with lots of petroglyphs,.
Just sit in the cave and layers upon layers of petroglyphs will come to your eyes as they adjust for the next 15 minutes.
The other cave, is actually hidden in a small side slot and has an altar in it. ropes would be needed or a very secure stemming or scrambling to get to it.
the third cave is further in the valley along the same, right side.
Now, walk across the valley to the RED rock on the other side.
Go over the park fence where it is attached to the redrock. Travel along the redrock and check out every fissure. At about a hundred yards, you will see a small crack that I can barely fit through hehe getting a little bigger as the years go on. It is hidden behind a small cottenwood tree. Squeeze in there and the
huge huge MOTHER EARTH CAVE will appear. four levels of amazing caves.
There used to be a wooden ladder there. But, to access the four levels, and other
secret passages that go into the side flukes, you would need a ladder or some hand climbing skills. there are no bolts or anchors here.
Please respect the ancient native caves. Once they are destroyed, we can only add it to the loss the ancient ones have suffered by our impact and presence.
I heard that there are so many petroglyphs in the other caves that an earlier book trying to decypher them actually used these petros as a reference.
Have a great day!
If you are ever in the area, and I am off? I would love to take some of you there.
Way cool!!
Cheers!
Jerry
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| | 03/13/10 at 12:03 AM | Reply with quote | #25 |
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Now in the Mt Trumbull area, there are two caves. One is called the ice caves.
I have the directions, but it is now on private property.
The other cave is called Paiute Cave and is located as follows:
Head down the eastern side of Mt. Trumbull til you get to the road that turns to the right for Toroweap (Tuweep) and to the left for Colorado City and Highway 59.
turn left toward highway 59 (Arizona 389) Not sure how far you travel.
But, it is just before you come to a split where BLM road 1014 turns off.
Just before you reach that road, there is a small dirt road that goes off to the right between two hi lls. Only travel up this road 1.4 miles and park at the lava ridge.
It will look like a pile of Lava. Old Bart Anderson destination.
Walk down into the cave and you will see red blood pictographs on the black basalt walls. Way Way cool!! Now, drive a little more till the valley opens up and you will see a huge vast grasslands.
Ok, once you see the first cave at Paiute Cave, Walk from the cave and continue along the lava flow toward the hills. You will come to some other caves that have probably never been explored. I had to clear away 6 ft deep tumbleweeds just to get into the entrance. I crawled into the lava tube and went down. Crawling through mouse droppings and bat guano made me right away, think about huntavirus. hehe I was solo hiking but could see the cave, though small, went further down. No one knew where I was, that day. Not a smart thing. So,
I feared that further exploration could result in injury and I would probably not be found. although my truck was in the area. Explore with caution.
Bring a lot of lights, helmet, and lots of mason line if you want to do more lava tube exploring. Can just imagine what is in there. Spiders, snakes, maybe an archeological find? bones? Who knows?
Good luck. cheers! jerry
Oh, the ice caves? I have directions but would rather not give them out.
A BLM ranger gave them to me 12 years ago. But, now, I hear the land is
dibbsed or private property. An actual ice cave near Mt. Trumbull.
Sounds cool.....hehe
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| | 03/13/10 at 11:33 AM | Reply with quote | #26 |
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Thanks Jerry, that does all sound really neat, your just a wealth of info. Some day we'll get back up there and have to do some exploring together. The photo I put in this thread on page 1 of the little cabin? I think that's real close to the lava tubes your talking about, it's probably only a little north of them. At least it sounds like the same area. I went thru the hills to the east side of Rd.5 and found the lava flow. There was a lot of deep holes in the flat area where it looked like something had caved in -- lava tubes maybe? I'll have to look, maybe I have a photo of that.
Thanks again, buddy,
Ice caves on Mt Trumbull, your right who would have guessed, bet the native Indians visited that.
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chrisguero
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| | 03/15/10 at 11:13 AM | Reply with quote | #27 |
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Yea thanks for the info Jerry. That's good stuff. I was telling Don that I need to get out to the Mt Trumbull area. I've been exploring the Little creek area a lot and have enjoyed a lot of the anasazi sites. If you ever need some company, I live in the St George area and would love to go discover some untouched areas.
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